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Poor Scaled Snapper :(

Poor Scaled Snapper :(

friendofsmellytapir

Even more sad that he will see far more play in captivity


Webber-414

F


chinovash

I play him in the lab... kind of like the LoR Zoo.


Few_Number_567

The flavor is really good, but fuck that makes me sad. :-(


CanonicalPizza

I know it’s a big Depredge 😞


Mr_Em-3

You think they should reverse it? That would be neat I think


Few_Number_567

Be free Snappy boi! Roam the forests of Ionia and be happy!


PogOldham

I hope that since this a time based expansion the scaled snapper in captivity is actually where he was before and the one that is free and happy is the same one but now. This is my new headcannon.


tiger_ace

I mean Zilean said in the trailer you if you don't like this fate you just pick a new one


JackMercerR

Zilean save scumming irl


Brassrain

is Zilean actually Flowey? ...why do i hear game theory jingle


SpaccAlberi

I gave the Pope a copy of League of Legends


Zellorea

You monster


Lohenngram

Is that why the enemy Soraka said I was excommunicated last game? I was really surprised by that, normally they're talking about how they're railing my Mom.


LyberianInx

Thanks, it sounds dumb, but thoughts like this are essential for me to be able to play the game without getting depressed. Just like Dragon Chow, who actually is a consenting adult whose deepest fantasy is getting ripped into pieces by a fire breathing monster.


PogOldham

For me dragon chow is actually a shape-shifting elephant who fuses into the dragon when he "dies". So I like to think of it as fusion not death lol


ItaGuy21

I mean..he does get to "fuse" with the dragon..as he is digested and stuff..


PogOldham

You made me chuckle


jal243

This turned into a vore subreddit so gradually i have never noticed. Goddamit not again.


Throwing_Spoon

Technically, that's at least partially true anyway.


Oreo-and-Fly

Can't they be different snappers?


KeplerNova

The Scaled Snapper is seemingly a species of wild animal, as opposed to a single specific individual, so yeah, these probably actually *are* different snappers.


Oreo-and-Fly

Exactly. Why are people all saying its the same one. I don't get it. Just think of this as the weak one that got caught and the rest managed to fend off Noxians and kill those captors and those snappers lived happily ever after.


LyberianInx

The problem is just that people with feelings wish for the numbers of Snappers in Noxian captivity to be 0 and not 1.


Oreo-and-Fly

Okay think of every snapper that got caught. They probably killed 20 Noxians just for doing that. And how many more Noxians are gonna die fighting against them in the arena. It's the silver lining I guess.


PogOldham

Yes but this way I'll feel like there is one more free snapper in Runeterra


Oreo-and-Fly

But if you think that they aren't the same snapper then you can imagine there's way more snappers out in the wild not captured.


YeetMasterChroma

Friend: should we tell him? Me: about what? Friend: the truth Me: no. Not now. Idk what will happen if we tell him the truth.


Dargalad

Noxians, I hate those guys


kevisdahgod

Mad cause bad. We always win in the end, maybe if your warriors stopped dancing and started fighting you could stand a chance.


-Draclen-

Talking mad shit for a nation that got their ass beat by some dudes with flutes.


[deleted]

they're the same as usa losing to rice farmers xD


Deekester

Turns out gorilla tactics are very effective.


FitzyFarseer

Gorilla tactics? Lmao now I’m imagining a bunch of roided out rice farmers just charging American troops and ripping them to shreds


more_walls

Vietnam’s secret weapon: angry elephants and apes.


xXx_edgykid_xXx

*What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.*


FitzyFarseer

I love you


Knalxz

Hey those flutey fuckers had a damn timelord on their side, we just have BIG AXES and everyone is still scared of us.


SlashXVI

You should have thought of that before setting sail....


Answerisequal42

Flair does not check out


Benyard

Well there's some unneeded vitriol in response to a classic quote


UnleashedMantis

They belong in a museum


KeeperOfWatersong

Imagine having to contract Singed to gas some Flute boys/farmers lol- this meme was made by not Noxus gang


KeplerNova

To be fair, that's actually a very efficient way to take out a mage who casts spells by playing the flute. Singed's poison gas (or aerosolized liquid idk) appears to be outright *corrosive* to the respiratory system, so even if it takes a while to kill the flute mage, you're disrupting their method of spellcasting. The Field Musicians appear to be manipulating the land itself in some way, so they have an important role in that they provide the Ionians with a very strong terrain advantage (in *addition* to the fact that the area is already familiar territory for the Ionians). As such, it would be imperative to eliminate these flute mages as quickly as possible and stop their magic, and Singed's toxins are an excellent way to go about this.


Big-Internal5499

Noxus Chads keep winning


nikolateslafanboy

Preach brother 👏


sertulariae

Bleach mother


FitzyFarseer

Peach smother


Answerisequal42

Way more wholesome than demacians though. I mean noxus is a warwaging imperium but atleast we accept everybody that joins us.


SpeedySion

Except anyone who’s disabled or can’t work


kevisdahgod

At least we don't throw our most usually allys the mages away and start a civil war for no reason.


ElectronicPossible21

Technically the mages started the civil war, but for a good reason. Demacia kind of looking like the best bet tbh since they seem to be starting down the path towards fixing their problems. Noxus is kind of set in their ways. 10 years from now Demacia will probably be the better place to live without contest.


Knalxz

Expect for the part where Kayle and Morgana decide to start DBZ fighting across the county side, ruining the nation for the next 100 years.


Devourer_of_HP

I mean, noxus also has a time bomb in its basement, also freljord, and targon.....


FitzyFarseer

Wait what’s in Noxus’s basement? Idk lore too well


Devourer_of_HP

Mordekaiser


Trololman72

Basically, Noxus wants to unite the world against Mordekaiser's return, which is why they're trying to invade other regions and they think the end always justifies the means.


tapiocapearlz

Unless you're weak, in which case you'll just be sent out to be slaughtered because Noxians only value you based on what you can provide to the nation, not as a person.


EpicHeracross

True, but the same can be said for Demacia. As soon as you get them glowy hands its stone gulag for you. In conclusion. Bilgewater.


Answerisequal42

I mean in bilgewater you die because some shmuk wanted a bottle of rum but ran out of coin soooo.... Piltover?


EpicHeracross

Only if you got the money. Zaun?


Answerisequal42

If you are keen on lung diseases? Ionia? Outside the warzones though


EpicHeracross

Shadow ninjas,Jhin, shen killing you for 'balance'. Oh and demons. You know, I'm beginning to think runeterra is not a nice place.....


Answerisequal42

I mean one dude being a murderer is less of an argument to avoid a whole nation than waging war, continued racism, omnipresent smog or way to high living prices. And i mean nature is nice. Ionia is probably the best choice for living peacfully.


firebolt_wt

Just YOLO it and go to Shadow Isles. Best case you live forever, worst case you live forever, but inside Thresh's lantern.


EpicHeracross

True. The only other place would be bandle city, but not everyone is a yordle


Throwing_Spoon

Shurima's capital is looking much safer than most other places right now, no over the top violence, no systematic oppression, basic needs can easily be met, a stable government. Yes, they have some raiders and the void portals from Icathia but they're a threat to everyone anyway.


UnleashedMantis

The best is bandle city by far They also have the prettiest women /s


Deotix

Ixtal, the answer is Ixtal I believe. The worst thing is Rengar or kha'zix but they keep themselves busy and unless you are exceptional enough for them to want to hunt you I think you're safe. Also the jungle is mostly sealed off from the rest of the world.


roger1954

Theres a blood-scenting werewolf in the premise of Zaun. Ionia?


Answerisequal42

Jupp. But they also absolutely dont care about your upringing, gender, sexuality etc. Kinda reminiscent to ancient sparta tbh. If you cant fight, wager, build, craft etc you are a loss for the empire. But one is not necessarily dead weight just because you are not strong muscle wise. Noxxis afaik basically filters out anyone that is a liability to society on an efficiency standpoint. But if i had to choose i would rather choose noxxis then demacia.


Throwing_Spoon

That is until you pose a threat to the Black Rose or they find that you can be experimented on or sacrificed like Rell's friends. Noxus is very similar to Piltover/Zaun except it has a stable power structure the preys on others instead of on eachother.


Vasu-Mishra

No wonder they work so well together... Looking at you Singed.


JediJmoney

You still lose to me though


Answerisequal42

In wholesomeness? Yeah. In warwaging? Do we really wanna know?


havanabrown

Chip has committed war crimes


Answerisequal42

With that smile? I believe that.


C0MpyutR

"Okay so hello I'm Chip an' I'm here to show you Targon! It's wowow big an' tall so I hope you got good shoes for da kickin' Lunaris of the cliff! Let's GO!" - Adventures with Chip, part 1


VeteranAndSingleDad

They just revealed chip's flavour text: "hi I am chip the rock! The Holocaust didn't happen but here's why it should have!"


-DickChocolate-

Yes, even in warwaging. You have been warned.


JediJmoney

I’ve got my big brother and literal gods in my region. You couldn’t hurt me even if you wanted to.


kevisdahgod

Your a rock with a smily face. Joker was 2 years ago get a new look.


Deotix

Sure but isn't it really a "join or die" kind of situation? What choice do they really give people because i know Noxus does not take prisoners.


MegaBaumTV

Noxus does take prisoners tho. Alistar, Xin Zhao and J4 are 3 good examples. But most of the time ure right, Noxus would rather kill someone than let them live in freedom.


superop7

Every bad stuff Demacia is doing Noxus does worse.


KeplerNova

I'm going to jump into this argument myself. Neither Demacia nor Noxus is fully good or fully evil. It's hard to judge which one is really a 'better' or 'worse' place, because they're centered around completely different (and contrasting) values, both positive and negative. Demacia is a nation that truly values honor and justice. It's self-sufficient and focuses on defending its people instead of expanding outwards, and almost all of the champions in Demacia are unambiguously good guys. For the most part, Demacians seem to be relatively collectivistic and look out for each other, given that the country basically started out as a refugee camp in the wake of the Rune Wars. *However,* its laws are incredibly strict and draconian, hypocrisy runs rampant in the system, and mages are scapegoated and legally and socially persecuted just because of what they are capable of. Another thing that I think people have a tendency to overlook is that Demacia is a *feudal hereditary monarchy*. Even if you aren't a mage, if you're not fortunate enough to be born into the right family, you will *never be good enough*, no matter what you achieve. The best you can hope for is to become a hero like Cithria, but even then you're dedicated to serving the king. Noxus, meanwhile, is a nation that values strength and accomplishment. No matter where you come from, your skills will be recognized and respected. Champions like Swain and Darius are dedicated to preserving this meritocracy and rooting out the old noble order. Additionally, many of the places Noxus conquers are actually brought into the empire without violence, and life is legitimately improved for them. *However*, Noxus also has a tendency to be *very* shady and exploitative. There's a lot of bloody intrigue and espionage going on in Noxus at the highest levels of politics, and the empire, as a culture, seems to see everything in and around it -- including people -- as a resource to be used. Even after Swain's coup, there's a lot of aggressive expansionism and war going on, as well. Additionally, Noxian culture is *extremely* ruthless and competitive. You have to keep up or fall down, and if you burn out, you'll be cast aside while the rest of the empire moves on without you. If you value honor, loyalty and stability, but are willing to sacrifice ambition and freedom, you would do well in Demacia. If you value achievement, freedom, and determination, but are willing to sacrifice stability and honor, you would do well in Noxus.


Beleiverofhumanity

This is exactly why I love the lore. It's muddled grey more than a clear cut black and white


Vydsu

I mean, Noxus has a little spec of white and a ocean of black. Anyone that invades a place throwing death gas to kill the land and murdering the locals is the bad guy no matter what they say.


TheDankestG

I think that’s an individual war crimes problem rather than a cultural values problem, unless Noxians, both the commoners and the elite, just shrugged and didn’t give a shit about the chemical weapon usage. Was anyone in Noxus outspoken against this?


Vydsu

I mean, it was the official plan for the invasion, not just a terrorist act, it was a military order.


TheDankestG

I was thinking maybe it was kept a bit secret from others in the Noxus military until it was time to be used. I’ll have to read up!


AweKartik777

It was, as Riven's whole unit was surprisingly wiped out by the gas when they had no idea of this plan, and she almost died as well, which resulted in her self-exile to Ionia.


Xuralei

>almost all of the champions in Demacia are unambigously good guys This was a Vayne call out post Also tbh I wouldn't go as far to call most of the soldier Champions good guys, just soldiers. The rest of the analysis is great tho.


KeplerNova

Which soldiers? Garen is definitely a very upstanding, heroic individual, even if he's kind of lost in all the mage-related sociopolitical turmoil. Quinn and Shyvana go out of their way to do good things as well, and Jarvan is... trying. The only one who I can think of who is just neutral is Xin Zhao.


LtHargrove

Isn't Demacia an elective monarchy?


EROTIC_RAID_BOSS

We accept anyone into our evil empire


Knalxz

We don't use that word, we say alternatively good.


OrionXS

I just saw that and I was thinking already about a LeBlanc/Ionia deck with Dusk and Dawn etc. Curiously they are both reputation support. Could Irelia be released with cards that summon her blades and the blades can be amped to 5 attack like Azir's supporting cards?


justmeh20

ive played leblanc zed was not half bad


ThornyBug

"Bro trust me Noxus is really awesome and better than Demacia who incarcerates mages hahaha" Like i really love Swain and noxian champions but some people really need to understand that they are very far from being good people.


PogOldham

People got to realize that just like real life, the factions are gray rather than black or white. Demacia has some good things, while noxus also has some good things. However Noxus forcefully takes over countries and bends them to their political ideology \*cough cough\* (Ionia). Demacia hates mages and that sucks too. They both have good and bad things.


ThornyBug

Indeed, no side is purely good. Still ever since the Tales of Runeterra Noxus video and the whole Sylas thing it seems people just think Noxus is a perfect utopia of sorts. Demacia too is accepting of others, they have a minotaur in their most elite division and also interact with nearby nations peacefully, also you got two Ionians (Sona and Xin Zhao), one was raised by a noble house and another literally being the king's closest guard. Also how they give money and release all war prisoners to do what they wish to do. And the fact that while yes there is the whole magic thing and nobility stuff, most if not all demacians care for one another, they have culture of strong unity and respect. Alright i'm done rambling now it's just that i hate when people overlook the good sides of Demacia.


PogOldham

Exactly, like demacia is all about brotherhood with fellow soldiers and fighting for the Nation itself. Every region has its faults. The only one that I cant think of anything bad about morally is Bandle City. I mean maybe you could say they are racist against non yordles, but there have been many exceptions to that as well with Poppy being the first example off the top of my head.


xXx_edgykid_xXx

I mean, we almost don't know anything about bandle city, for all we know, it doesn't have any government, just a bunch of yordles and their houses.


KeplerNova

It's got a military and a militia, so there's *something* there.


Vasu-Mishra

Would that make the Yordles anarchists? Hmm... This is my new headcanon until Riot finally gives us something substantial about Bandle City.


KeplerNova

Bandle City is the only one that doesn't have any significant problems unless you get lost in the Glade... but since it exists in a spirit realm outside of the normal flow of time, it's probably not a great place to live anyway unless you are a yordle.


GroxGrox

Not only they hate mages. They also have caste system. You can born as a noble or as a peasant or even slave. In Noxus everybody can reach the peak. Noxus accept everybody and respect them. On the other hand in Noxus one day you live and another you are dead, since killing other people is just a everyday experience in Noxus. ###


SlashXVI

> You can born as a noble or as a peasant or even slave I was not aware that there are slaves in demacian society. Do you have any reference for that at hand?


GroxGrox

Oh, you are right, there are no slaves in Demacia, I thought the city from cinematic was demacian.


Anemys

Uh what? I'm pretty sure Cithria was not born of noble blood, haha. And look where she is now. There is no caste system in demacia.


MegaBaumTV

Noxus still has a cast, or more accurately, feudal hierarchy tho. The only one who ever escaped it who we know of is Darius. Sure, exceptionally good soldiers regularly climb the miltary hierarchy but politics and government only belong to the nobles.


SpiritoftheSands

The was during Darkwills reign, its now a meritocracy that has some fuedal vassals (Which are being reformed)


ZanesTheArgent

The eternal problem of saying 'but it's a meritocracy' is forgetting that behind the supposed social ascendancy potential there still are centuries of old money, open fondness of backstabbing/blackmailing, backroom dealing and outright suppression of uprising through violence that still keeps a relatively stationary caste society. Ancapstan is a slaver society that paints its chains as freedom 'because you can use them to strangle your taskmaster, then whip the other slaves in his place!'. Drink too much of this koolaid and you end with Urgot.


Lohenngram

Perfect description of the logical flaws that would exist in Noxus's "enlightened meritocracy." Now if only more people would actually realize that instead of taking everything Noxus says at face value.


MegaBaumTV

> The was during Darkwills reign, its now a meritocracy that has some fuedal vassals (Which are being reformed) Most of the politics in Noxus are still controlled by the Black Rose which consists out of nobility. And even tho Swain cut off the influence of nobility, even officially thats not fully gone and will most likely not be gone in Swains lifetime.


KeplerNova

Darius *is* in a position of political/government authority as of Swain's coup, though. He's one-third of the Trifarix.


MobiusCipher

We just saw the completion of Cythria's cycle from nobody to "Lady of Clouds." There has to be some level of meritocratic recognition.


Vydsu

Demacia is not good either, but saying that someone that invades another land, uses death gas to poison the land and murder the locals is grey is worrisome.


KoKoboto

Bruh I feel like shit now


KeplerNova

I say this as a diehard Noxus supporter, but... Interesting that you were all willing to ignore Noxus's brutal imperialism, warmongering, and culture of exploitation, but the second the Noxians are mean to an animal, you all riot.


UnleashedMantis

Its like when in the films/series they make the "bad guy" hit a dog or something so everyone knows they are evil and feel good for all the smacking they will receive in the final scenes.


ERRORMONSTER

It's literally called a [kick the dog](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KickTheDog) moment


Xuralei

Art imitates life


Oreo-and-Fly

That's the secret cap. I'm against Noxus already.


JessHorserage

Fucking what? Alright, what 2 cards provide a cool story through that then?


Lohenngram

It's one thing to tell people something is happening, it's another thing to show it to them. See also: why Demacia will never live down the Lux comic, no matter how much Riot backtracks.


BornsAko

should have gone with a 2/5 stat so you wouldn't been caught, just saying


PoorDisadvantaged

You either die a crushbot or live long enough to die to a villian


Tulicloure

I mean, what good was it doing for the Empire back in Ionia?


RolletRogue

Its a free natural animal living in peace and can somehow fight foreign invaders. Kind of like the big rhino animals in the movie avatar.


JessHorserage

Providing to the environment.


The_OG_upgoat

Freljord - Watchers and shit. Also, the environment is ridiculously harsh, and Sejuani's barbarians are a threat. Targon - The Solari are a bunch of religious extremists. Bilgewater - Lawless hellhole, though MF is at least trying to fix that. Ionia - Not as peaceful as it looks, quite a few political squabbles and issues with oppression of Vastaya. Shurima - Ruled by a reborn dictator with godlike powers. Also, Voidspawn everywhere, and marauders too. Ixtal - Isolationist. Demacia - Anti-magic. Noxus - Social Darwinist af. Piltover - Capitalism ho. Zaun - Mad scientists and poverty.


Zekkarei

Awesome flavor


ColorMaelstrom

He looks so in peace in the first one and so distraught in the second. Man, fuck noxus


Knalxz

I'm happy for the big guy, he gets to enjoy being apart of the Noxian Empire. I hope he gets his green card soon because with the second war coming up, I don't want him to be deported for being a spy or some other BS. We'll make a true Noxian outta that boy, I tell ya WHHAT!


Tulicloure

Look at that cool armor! I'm sure he has a lot of fans in the arena!


Diradell

Rip


LyberianInx

:(


NugNugJuice

OMG I didn’t realize! The flavour and lore in this game is crazy. I love this (sorry Scaled Snapper)


Webber-414

Why u gotta hurt me like this Riot


samrandomguy

Look how they massacred my boy


gigaparseec

One more reason to hate Noxus


TheMadChap

And Riot still tries to convince us that "Noxus is not the villain, it's just misunderstood"


csuazure

I don't really think they've tried to push that, they just went from pure black and white to shades of grey. Noxus is still an imperialist nation bent on conquest, but there are some merits to their values, especially for commoners/mages who would be oppressed by other nations. That's not going to stop them from being generally awful for anyone in their way who doesn't want to join their empire, and I doubt they treat nature as anything more than something to exploit, pretty at-odds with Ionia/Ixtal's whole things.


Chimoya2

They never said or tried to convince us that they're misunderstood, just that they aren't 100% the bad guys or that Demacians aren't 100% the good guys. Both have their flaws and both have their positives.


Viraus2

They're edgy Romans, and this is totally an edgy Roman thing to do


KeplerNova

These Romans are crazy!


EpicHeracross

I mean, they made the card.....


KataFuFuu

Are u sure ? Because they actually still do that to this day. It's pretty infuriating as a die hard noxus fan. We lose every battle in every trailer. Every time. Except the tales from runeterra one. Lol. Honestly it really sucks they keep doing this. Every damn league video thing katarina ends up getting "trashed" in it, just jumps around a bit then gets owned. It's getting exhausting.. but i know nothing will change


HeviKnight

Because noxus is such an overpowered force that rito needs to nerf them in the cinematic so they seem balanced


CelioHogane

Noxus is not the villain, tho. THey are fucked up, sure, but they are not THE VILLAIN, in the ionia war sure, Swain has his reasons but he is going a pretty fucked up way about it, but on a general sense Noxus is not like the top 10 "Oh shit oh fuck" of runeterra.


Bodinhu

Why capturing an animal makes someone a villain? That's basically what every single one human civilization did.


ElectronicPossible21

It's more the throwing it into the fighting pits that is the problem. I mean, I don't advocate capturing animals for entertainment in any sorts, but if you were going to, this is probably the least ethical form of entertainment to use a captured animal in.


xXx_edgykid_xXx

So, like pokemon?


ElectronicPossible21

Yeah, pokemon definitely has to jump through some hoops to make it kid friendly


Lohenngram

"NoXUs aRe tHE GoOd gUYs! DeMAciA is wOrSe, so It's oK!" \- *Noxus fanboys whenever their faction commits an atrocity.*


Benito0

What do you mean? Everybody knows only SI commit atrocities!


Viraus2

How long before we get people trading bantz on /r/runeterraball?


Knalxz

As a black man, I'd rather live at the place that doesn't arrest me for the way I was born.


Lohenngram

And as a person born with a disability, I'd rather live in a place that doesn't proudly tout Social Darwinism. Though being for exclusively Demacia or Noxus is a false dichotomy. Is there a faction in this setting that doesn't have an over the top dark side to it? Like is Azir's new Shurima alright or Ashe and Tryndamere's Avarosan tribe?


ancrolikewhoa

Without getting too deep into the weeds on the issue: no, none of the nations of Runeterra are without problems. Shurima fell for a lot of good reasons including poor leadership, Ashe and Tryndamere's war for a new Freljord also risks awakening the Watchers, and if you're born to the wrong Targonian tribe you stand a decent chance of being thrown off the mountain for worshipping the wrong orb. If you're looking for good *individuals* you can find them easily enough, and if you're willing to be relativistic *anyone* is better than the Shadow Isles, but the major projects of each nation have some serious issues.


jp159357

Even in SI there are good people and beings, like Yorick who is trying to contain the Ruination.


xXx_edgykid_xXx

I mean, Gwen exists now.


FullMetalFiddlestick

Maokai for what its worth, kalista aint all bad either


SlashXVI

> none of the nations of Runeterra are without problems. Do you know of anything major concerning the inhabitants of Ionia (except the obvious noxian aggressions)? From what I can recall right now, most turmoil in and around Ionia (again except the noxian invasion) seemed to be small in scale or hidden from the general public.


HawkVini

Navori brotherhood, Vastayan revolution, the Shadow Order, the azakana. More recently, Karma being corrupted by Viego (don't actually know the scale that will take)


ppmi1

>Navori brotherhood, the Shadow Order, the azakana All of this were caused by the Noxian invasion if i dont remenber incorrectly


xXx_edgykid_xXx

Azir's shurima will basically become Noxus 2.0 honestly, dude literally (justifiably) sees himself as a God, all his enemy summoned interactions makes him the king who will do everything to achieve his goals.


Knalxz

It's the ancient world, a place were little people were commonly thrown out into the woods at birth to die. Also Noxus doesn't just kill people with disabilities they cull the weak. You can be disabled and still be one of the greatest people in the world. Also by Demacian standards, being a mage is a disability that needs to be culled. Same shit, differnet nation.


Lohenngram

> Noxus doesn't just kill people with disabilities they cull the weak. You can be disabled and still be one of the greatest people in the world. While I love your idealism, I don't believe Noxus as a whole would make the distinction. Even if they did, I don't want the weak to be *culled*. Even if I thought I'd be some uber-magical badass in Runeterra, that idea would still horrify me. It's also not the ancient world, it's modern fantasy story. This is a setting that has heavy industry, magic and more advanced technology than we do. If despite having all those advantages Noxus has to cull the weak just to keep it's population fed, then why should we root for them over the factions that thrive without doing that?


JackMercerR

Not a disability, but something extremelly dangerous for the rest of the population. Also before the civil war, mages could live normal lives as long as they didnt use magic afaik.


Knalxz

I was using it as an example mostly but I'm not going to lie, you lost me with the last word of your comment. Does Afaik mean something or was it a typo.


JackMercerR

It means "as far as i know"


Knalxz

Oh well then, in context to your last comment I'm unaware of this. It was too my knowledge that Demacia just hated mages, hence why Lux had to keep her powers hidden for so long. I got the idea that it was more of a "Lake Laugoi" kind of place where, "What mages, there aren't any mages in Demacia. Demacia is a mage free realm where magic doesn't affect the people at all...never."


Lohenngram

Yeah Riot realized they both overestimated how much people liked Demacia and how bad the imagery in the Lux comic made the faction look. They backed off from it in subsequent stories. It's made clear Demacia doesn't have a problem with magic, so long as it's not being performed within their borders. It's not illegal to be a mage, it's illegal to use magic. The downside of this was people born with magical potential don't learn how their powers work, accidentally blow up a house, and get taken away for being dangerous, since they blew up a house. It's only been recently, that the less scrupulous nobles (with implications that Leblanc was manipulating them, and assurances that none of the characters we actually like are to blame) began turning the mage seekers into a full blow secret police. J3 recognized both the danger of that and the downside I mentioned above and moved to both abolish the mage seekers and end the prohibition on magic. Then Sylas's rebellion broke out, J3 was murdered and things went to hell in a hand basket. Beyond that they've also stressed that the people as a whole hate the mage seekers. No one likes seeing their neighbours taken off the street and if things don't ease off soon, the regular people will be as up in arms as Sylas is. So yeah, overall a far cry from Ba Sing Se.


JackMercerR

The hate is mostly caused right now by the mage rebellion, before, the mages where only imprisoned when they used their magic, sylas being an important case to observe since even when he caused the death of the mageseekers and the people around him he wasnt condemned to death. To add to this, the attempts to remove magic from a persons body where realized on voluntary inmates, that if the results where succesfull would most likely be released from custody.


Xuralei

Shurima is the closest thing to the best place to live. The environment isn't exceedingly hostile and Azir GENUINELY cares for the people and there isn't an insane amount of violence inside the country. While they are expansionist, there's probably the best standard of living there. Would definitely not go with the Avarosans because the Freiljord is just rife with terribleness.


UnleashedMantis

I mean, the moto of noxus is that might makes right, but from the theory to the practice there is a big difference. Some people will actually act like that but many others wont, and in the same noxus lore, people with tons of talent like Rell and her friends are enslaved, pitched against each other and experimented on just because of a "greater good". Riven climbed the ranks despite being young and female because she was strong, yet she was still left to die with many others in a chemical attack when attacking ionia, and when noxus discovered she was still alive they even went back for her to put her in the gladiator arena. Being born powerfull and/or in a rich family isnt even safe there, if you are unlucky in what people you meet in your climb. Its like in real life, countries like USA say they are the country of freedom, or oportunities, yet we all know they arent better at those things than many others. One thing is the propaganda, what the leaders shout, their motivations... and a different thing is what they actually end up doing, or what the consequences of their actions end up causing.


Knalxz

Well those all still invoke the idea that might makes right it's just someone elses might gives them the right to commit war crimes. On the topic of America, our whole "Land of Freedom" thing is just shitty carry over from the revolution and the wild west. Both of those periods are over but it sounds cool to scream so it all stuck.


Oreo-and-Fly

They don't care if you're black. They only care if you are a literal walking nuke or not. Which you aren't. So don't worry.


Knalxz

You don't know me, for all you know I'm the next Marvel super villain.


Oreo-and-Fly

Hey I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. But youll only be a villain, not just a super one.


Goahetmrjostur

Noxians.. I hate those guys


DMaster86

Noxian scums


MaccheroniGuy

That's what happens when noxus conquers ionia


Zhargon

"Live as a noxian or die as a ionian"...can see all the magic creatures receiving the same treatment, Irelia and her forces being executed without mercy and the people being forced into servitude and fuel the Noxian war machine for the next conquest.


RadiHoca

Noxus went too far


djgotyafalling1

This is normal for them though. They're a brutal and barbaric nation.


indigo-sam

why can't you two love each other¡¡¡ ionia and noxus are my two favourites regions sorry if my english is bad


PoorDisadvantaged

They did once. Sett.


BadHumourInside

As someone that just started playing LoR without any prior LoL experience, where can I read more about the entire LoR lore?


Lohenngram

[https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en\_US/](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/) That site's official Riot and I believe it has all of the published short stories on it. It also has an interactive map of the world with tons of tiny details about where champions come from and their histories. They've also published an e-book *Garen: First Shield* about Garen, Quinn and Cithria; as well as a compendium about the entire universe called *Realms of Runeterra*. You have to pay for those though.


Chimoya2

Ah, I see you replied as well before me with most of the same things I replied with, there weren't any replies yet when I opened the comment. >They've also published an e-book *Garen: First Shield* about Garen, Quinn and Cithria; as well as a compendium about the entire universe called *Realms of Runeterra*. You have to pay for those though. As for this, you can find TLDR versions of this on the wiki or in video form by various YouTubers. Tho if you want the full experience in terms of detailed/professional storytelling then you'd indeed have to pay. Can recommend buying the Realms of Runettera book tho OP, it's one of the few lore-specific souvenirs they offer and is pretty neat to have.


BadHumourInside

That's pretty neat!


Chimoya2

The [universe](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/) site covers most lore and has a lot of in-depth stuff, but there are also some things not on there. Note that you can select champions/regions/comics at the top of the page among others. There is also an [interactive map](https://map.leagueoflegends.com/en_US) that shows the world of Runeterra and any associated champs with any regions or places, as well as some context/short stories for each important place or region. There is also the wiki page which is not officially run by Riot and sometimes does have some outdated things on there, but most things are up to date I'd say. This is mostly useful if you want a good general overview of a topic/region/event that lists all the important things you need to know which the universe page doesn't offer. You can just google "lol \*topic of interest\* wiki" and it should get you there. EDIT: Forgot to mention, but there's also an aggregated [timeline of major events in the history of Runettera](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline) over on the wiki page, again not 100% official and maybe some minor mistakes, but pretty close and is a good overview. These events can also be a place to start from to get into the lore. If there's anything you're interested in specifically then I could maybe give recommendations on where to start/must-reads.


MegaBaumTV

https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/ This website has every canon lore related to the LoR/LoL IP and the world Runeterra. You can find an interactive map on this website, a ton of great short stories, and a list of every champion that exists in League of Legends with their art, biographies and connected stories. In case you are overwhelmed, i would recommend starting exploring your favourite region or favourite champion in LoR. Recently there came out a story that explains the background story of the LoR card "Professor von Yipp" btw, so maybe that would also be a good starting point. https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/to-herd-a-cat/ As soon as you explored a little bit, there are some hidden treasures out there like "Where Icathia Once Stood" "Silence for the Damned" and "Twilight of the Gods". But those require some knowledge about the lore first to be appreciated. Just wanted to mention them because they are genuinely great stories.


LongShoeLace

free scaled snapper


TheMightyBattleSquid

I just had a game where I played Armor Tuskrider and the enemy Quinn goes "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THAT POOR ANIMAL!?" Imagine her reaction to this instead of an elephant just wearing armor lol


Big-Internal5499

Love to see an Ionia virgin turn into a Noxus Chad